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Narcissism & My ex-husband

Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:28 AM EDT
children, legal, marriage, relationship, divorce, father, ex, husband, narcissism, weasel
By SoCAGal
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First, a few definitions of narcissism:

nar·cis·sism–noun

1.

inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.

2.

Psychoanalysis description: erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.

If there was ever a classic example of a narcissist, it would be my ex-husband. I first noticed the signs early on in the marriage. He could not pass by a mirror – anywhere – without pausing to look at himself. Whenever he enters a room with a person or people in it, he ALWAYS does this little fake cough to bring attention to himself. He wants everybody to notice him when he walks in. It’s such an engrained habit that he doesn’t even know he does it.

About 5-yrs into my first and his first marriage (I stuck it out with him for 20-yrs) he started seeking women’s attention AND affections outside of our marriage. He was on a quest to see how many women he could attract. His employees became his “victims”. I say “victims” because he would use them for his own purposes and then end the relationship with them because after-all, he was married. He joined dating services so as to attract a different set of “victims”. He tried out the prostitute option because naturally they would be interested in him. He began using his children as lures for more attention. Whenever our teenage daughters got new female friends, he wanted them to show a picture of him to them hoping they would say, “oh look at what a good looking guy your dad is”. Once cell phones came into play, he now sends pictures via a text message and wants them to show that picture to their female friends. Now here’s the scary part – he also liked to bring attention to himself by exposing his morning hard on (covered by underwear) to his daughters thinking it was such a funny thing to do. (sick and wrong in my opinion) As the years went by, his next manifestation of a narcissist was to be a body builder. He spent hours at the gym “pumping iron”. He got a hold of some black market testosterone for the purpose of bulking up even more. This had its side effects, none of which were good. He became obsessed with going to the gym and entered a body building contest to prove to the audience how wonderful he was. He came in 3rd out of 3 contestants in his weight range. What a disappointment huh? For him, it definitely was. So, where do I fit into this picture? Interestingly enough, 9 years after the divorce was final, he continues to randomly contact me to make sure I haven’t forgotten about him because wow, how could I possibly not be thinking about him 24/7? I should not ever want to be with anybody but him because after-all, nobody could come close in comparison to him. Keep in mind that he has been remarried now for 5 years and continues to contact me inappropriately anyway. His poor wife. I feel sorry for her.

I would like everyone to know a few things about what to expect from a genuine narcissist in relationships. A narcissist is what he is. A narcissist does what he does. Despite all the elaborate claims and drama from the narcissist to the contrary, they will not change themselves in any meaningful way because – after all – they’re already “perfect”. As a Lady who lived with one for twenty years, and still have to deal with one sometimes because we had children together, I can say with complete confidence that nothing I ever did could change his narcissistic ways. This unwanted contact with him will go on forever…as the kids will always be there to remind him of me – and in his mind only – “us”. While married to him, in an attempt to please and placate him, I allowed him to frighten me, humiliate me (in marital intimate relations) and forgave him over and over again for many other transgressions which would end most relationships and marriages after only one occurrence. My clergy at that time advised me to “set a good example” and “be a good wife” to help your husband be a better man. I can tell anyone this normally good advice is useless and even bad when someone tries it out on a narcissist. If I knew then even a little bit about what I know now, I would never have married him, never had children with him (I love my children very much, I just don’t like their father….), and would probably be a happier person today.

Anyone thinking of getting into any kind of involved personal relationship with a narcissist is well advised to think very carefully about it before doing it. And if you find yourself hoodwinked by one of these weasels, get out of the relationship ASAP and never look back. P.S.: use extremely reliable birth control unless you like the idea of having to deal with your weasel for the rest of your life……

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SoCAGal

Please abide by the COH.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
ADad-1477522Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Here, I thought this was a story about Michelle Obama and her battle with the egomaniac that is her husband... My mistake...lol

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
politicalcenter

Of course, narcissism is not just the domain of men. The problems with narcissism is that we do not find out about their personalities until a relationship turns sour or confronts some significant bump.

The one trait that you do not mention is the weakness of the personality. Most narcissists have very weak self-confidence. Sadly, they look to others to make them feel better. And having many lovers and other such self-seeking approval is one of their traits.

In the end, the narcissist is a very sad case indeed. Their lives are not their own. They seek approval in ways that diminish them as persons. And they do things that are often very antisocial.

We are all a bit narcissistic. We do seek approval regularly. But marriage is so important as an institution, I do not believe we should ever terminate it if we have children. If we make a mistake and do have them, then there is no alternative but to try to help the narcissist.

Of course, narcissists refuse help because they cannot find fault with themselves.

It is very sad. Worthy of sorrow, not hate.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:23 PM EST
Loretta Kemsley

Chilrdren are not well-served in a bad marriage, especially where one party abuses the other. They are better served living in a home that is free of abuse and conflict. If that means a divorce, then a divorce is in their best interest.

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:38 PM EST
MsAubrey

Agree whole-heartedly Loretta.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:16 PM EST
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US Citizen-658112

SoCAGal: In my experience there is a lot of "blaming" that goes on when dealing with narcissistic people. Also, my own wife was previously married to one....so I've had a bit of "been there and done that" going on because of "giant in his own mind" Mr. weasel. Like a weed, you just can't quite get him completely out of your life.....

The narcissistic weasels seem to use blaming as a way to try to dominate and humiliate their wives for their own satisfaction, and to make them feel more omnipotent. It's common for victims of these weasels to become very sensitive to criticism because of all the blaming the weasel heaped on them during their relationship/marriage.

Is this at all how it went for you?

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
SoCAGal

Is this at all how it went for you?

It has become clear to me after the marriage had ended that I was an object in his mind. As an object I could be dominated and humiliated to build up his ego.

Also, I was blamed for everything as a further means to emotionally degrade me and keep me under his power. This worked when I was younger but as I got older and looked around to see other women not being treated this way, I became dissatisfied and that was the beginning of my divorce process. I did not want my children to see this as a way for women to be treated by a man.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT
gmross

I have a friend here in Colorado that was married to such a slime and even today he try's to dominate her when it comes to their kids, anything he can think of to make her and her new husband miserable he try's, the problem with this is that they are on to him and are keeping records of everything he does, these records are turned over to her attorney and he is keeping them for the next custody hearing this year, the hope is to get full custody of the kids on that day, and then turn the tables on him.

  • 5 votes
#2.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:46 AM EST
ambivalent

I have a friend who is in an ugly divorce. Whenever she speaks of the marital problems she has never once mentioned anything that she did to disrupt the union. I noticed it is always about him and how horrible he is. Surely, each individual should do some soul searching on their own when things go south. How else do we make personal adjustments and positive changes? It makes me wonder about her and her possible narcissism.

  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:57 PM EST
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maddad

what a relief! i thought my ex-wife had joined the vine...lol

well written. thanks for sharing it.

  • 13 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT
deepwater don

maddad..... laughed out loud and long on that one. Thought the same thing about one of my ex-wives.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:12 AM EST
Lkessler

I will say, it never does children any good when parents stay together "for the sake of the kids." Don't make your kids miserable. Divorce, and at least have a decent and amicable relationship with your ex. Behind closed doors, you can stomp on his/her picture all you like, put it on your dartboard, etc...

And never, ever disparage your ex in front of your children. No matter how justified, you won't come across looking good, either.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:13 PM EST
VIVA-796465

a friend once told me that one happy parent is better than two miserable ones..............

  • 6 votes
#3.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:09 AM EST
Lkessler

Viva: and it is one of the smartest thing your friend has ever told you--trust me!

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:25 AM EST
MsAubrey

...Divorce, and at least have a decent and amicable relationship with your ex. ...And never, ever disparage your ex in front of your children. No matter how justified, you won't come across looking good, either.

AND no matter how bad you think it may be, it can turn out for the best for all involved. My ex treated me terribly [not in a narcisstic manner], but the divorce was pretty damn smooth. Hell, he didn't even get an attorney. He knew that with me, he didn't need to. I just wanted out of the marriage.

  • 1 vote
#3.5 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:21 PM EST
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believer-369603

Sounds like a girl I used to date.....

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
callie-girl

Sounds like a girl I used to date.....

good grief, varmint! However do you find these women?! I hereby volunteer to have a face-to-face with any female to whom you find yourself even remotely attracted and screen her for you; women can read other women waaaayyyyy better than men can read women, just like men can tweak to other men and their motivations much better than a woman can - trust me on that one.

You're entirely too nice to keep getting partnered up with ninnies ;-)

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:10 PM EDT
believer-369603

well, it was a long time ago, when I was young and innocent and a lot less corrupt than I am now :-)

But yes, I probably do need a "screener"

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
callie-girl

well, it was a long time ago, when I was young and innocent and a lot less corrupt than I am now :-)

Hey, now; a year isn't that long ago ;-)

But yes, I probably do need a "screener"

True fact: when I started dating my ex-husband, every, single one of my guy friends said "are you kidding me? That boy ain't right", or words to that effect. Yep, same gender can read same gender almost infallibly.

Sooo....where do those of us females who recognize that you're a nice guy who deserves to be spoiled rotten fill out applications to be an official "Screener of Potential believer Partners?"

And does the position include paid holidays? If so, perhaps it would be prudent to have a "chief screener" and a "back-up screener" :-o

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:40 PM EDT
believer-369603

Hey, now; a year isn't that long ago ;-)

It was more like 10 years ago.....different girl, different relationship

Sooo....where do those of us females who recognize that you're a nice guy who deserves to be spoiled rotten fill out applications to be an official "Screener of Potential believer Partners?"

Truthfully, there is a girl at work who has volunteered for the job..and I do trust her instincts. Her husband suggested it. :-) But maybe I'll put of applications anyway......back-up is always nice

And does the position include paid holidays?

No. It doesn't even include paid work-daysI

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:56 AM EDT
callie-girl

No. It doesn't even include paid work-daysI

Pffftttt.

Truthfully, there is a girl at work who has volunteered for the job..and I do trust her instincts. Her husband suggested it. :-)

Excellent!

  • 1 vote
#4.5 - Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT
MsAubrey

You're entirely too nice...

That's why.

Most nice guys/girls get stomped on. It takes two nice people to meet and not just consider them a friend. And believe me, that is much more difficult than people think. I'm just really glad I have that now. My husband always asks me, "Why did you choose me?" It's as simple as he's genuinely a nice man and treats me wonderfully... Which made me fall head over heels in love with him.

  • 2 votes
#4.6 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:25 PM EST
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Woodchip1

Sounds like my brother.....

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
mstanley2265

P.S.: use extremely reliable birth control unless you like the idea of having to deal with your weasel for the rest of your life…… that's sound advise for any gal till you make sure the relationship is for sure.

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
Jonathan-1917156

No need on my part, chemo did that in and now meso only cretes wiggly things that don't like to wiggle.

    #6.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:18 PM EST
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    Time Lord

    Ok SoCAGal...you've given us a wonderful description of a narcissist. So what can you tell us about the kind of woman who chooses to marry a narcissist and chooses to stay married to him for 20 years despite the "flags" and indiscretions?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:31 PM EDT
    Bewildered511

    I can say from my own personal experience:

    My heart is in knots
    my brain in a whirl
    I cant's stop hurting
    as my brain won't stop twirling

    I had a glimpse of hope
    but now I am alone
    A friend would be nice
    but I have not any.

    Who will excepts me
    for who I am, I ask
    I've been walked on
    and stomped on
    used and abused
    stripped on my worth
    what could be worse

    I sit and cry
    and ask why
    I feel like a cast a way
    just don't belong
    I want it to end
    this madness I'm in.

    My heart and Brain
    is causing me pain
    So emotional drained
    My life has been stained.

    Some one
    Who never had a loving family to grow up in.
    Never heard the words I love you and can't remember hugs as a child.
    She has never felt the sense of belonging and acceptance.
    Never feeling love, acceptance and belonging in her early years,
    she grew up to seek these things only to find the abusing type men,
    cause that is what she was familiar with in her up bringing.

    We are target's for such men. I was blinded into a relationship like this and took me what seemed like a life time of unhappiness but I thought it to be normal cause of what I did not know. I wasn't a emotional stable person from the get go.Why I didn't leave sooner. Cause he made me feel like no one else would or could love me. He made me feel stupid and ugly, and that I was only good for sex. I really didn't think I could find anything better.

    I know now I won't be a target no longer. My self esteem is at a healthier state now, and I value my self worth and know who I am and my needs. I can spot normal from, not normal now. To change this cycle the change comes within yourself. Don't be a victim!!!!!!!!

    • 6 votes
    #7.1 - Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:28 AM EST
    SoCAGal

    Very nice Bewildered. You explained it perfectly!!!

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:48 PM EST
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    SoCAGal

    First I would like to direct you to this excerpt from my article:

    My clergy at that time advised me to “set a good example” and “be a good wife” to help your husband be a better man.

    I married at age 18 and was raised to rely on clergy for advice. He isolated me from my parents, my friends and anyone who might support me in typical weasel fashion. So when clergy kept telling me "that the worth of a soul is great in the eyes of God", I hung in there and did the best I could. Add to this the 4 children who I wanted to raise with a father even if he wasn't a very good one. That old adage of "I stayed in my marriage for the kids" came into play and it wasn't until after the divorce, that I realized that it would have been better to leave him earlier. Kids or no kids.

    Thus this article to warn others that you can't fix a weasel.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#8 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:48 PM EDT
    Time Lord

    Miss Socalgal...yep, I read that.

    You haven't answered my question...? You keep deferring back to your ex, the clergyman, your children...your circumstances. I'm sure you have your husband pegged, but what does your choices say about you or other women in your situation? Hopefully you have been able to speak with someone...other then your clergyman, who is trained to deal with women who have been abused. It's impossible to begin to heal and move out of "victim" while your focus remains on your ex, the clergy, your children. Your vision seems to be 20/20 when it comes to him...how is your insight when it relates back to you and how and why you got to be where you are now?

    You've described the "weasel". Can you describe what kind of woman marries and stays with a cheating, manipulative weasel?

    • 2 votes
    #8.1 - Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:32 AM EDT
    SoCAGal

    Can you describe what kind of woman marries and stays with a cheating, manipulative weasel?

    I have low self esteem, plain and simple. I believe I had it prior to marrying my ex due to events and life growing up. I also didn't date him long prior to marrying. It was the typical fresh out of high-school connection and me finally seeing a way of moving away from the parents who, heaven forbid, set rules for me to follow. At the time, not wanting to follow house rules was the norm for an 18 yr old teenager. So, after meeting him and marrying him only 8-months later, I had no idea he was the type of person who would be a narcissist and cheater. The cheating aspect didn't do anything to improve my self-esteem either which put into motion the fear of leaving him, feeling as if nobody would even consider being with me if I divorced him. In the last 5-yrs of the marriage, prior to me divorcing him, I went to a counselor who helped me be strong and learn to love myself and think of myself as a good and desirable woman. That was a lot of therapy and what I needed to "heal and move out of "victim" mode" so I could get on with my life.

    I hope I've done a better job answering your question.

    • 9 votes
    #8.2 - Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT
    Time Lord

    Yes you have...thank you for your candor. It's appreciated. Best wishes as you walk your path,

    Respectfully...TL

    • 2 votes
    #8.3 - Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
    Loretta Kemsley

    It's impossible to begin to heal and move out of "victim" while your focus remains on your ex, the clergy, your children.

    Actually, that focus is the first step toward healing. We have to define a problem before solving a problem. A woman who's been abused has been told, over and over and over again, that the problem is her. She needs to realize she is not the problem...that others are the problem before she can begin to take the steps needed to escape the abuse and begin healing.

    Your vision seems to be 20/20 when it comes to him...how is your insight when it relates back to you and how and why you got to be where you are now?

    These aren't independent steps. A woman who is examining her ex is also examining herself at the exact same time. It's harder to make progress on herself until she's got him completely defined because he keeps inserting himself back into her life and trying to force her back into the emotional hole he dug for her.

    Imagine, if you will, yourself in a literal hole in the ground with someone looming over you, beating you back with a shovel every time you try to climb out. The person looming over you is a danger to you. He means you harm. The first line of defense is to protect yourself, not to get out of the hole. The problem cannot be solved without realizing you can't get out of the hole until that other person is driven away or somehow neutralized. Then and only then, can you climb to ground level in safety.

    Even once a woman identifies what lead her to the problem, it takes years to heal. Part of that healing is what is being done here: refusing to stay silent Abuse requires silence to continue. When the victim starts naming the problem and the abuser, the abuser doesn't like the focus on his behavior. He won't change. He'll still blame the victim, but he'll do it from a further distance and eventually will back out of the situation as the victim grows stronger in her vocal resistance. He doesn't want to be faced with a mirror to look in. His entire justification for his behavior disappears in front of a mirror.

    So this essay is focusing on him is a very healing step. It holds the mirror up for him to look into -- and relieves the abuse he's continuing to heap into her life.

    It's a courageous and necessary step toward healing -- with the focus rightfully on the abuser.

    Arguing that the victim is responsible because of something she did takes the focus off his abuse and blames her. That's the same argument against rape vicims: that they somehow did something wrong and caused his bad behavior.

    The cause of his bad behavior is his own need to behave badly.

    Why do women stay? She stays because of immense pressure to stay and "save" her marriage, even at great cost to herself. She stays because no one ever taught her to call this abuse. She stays because she thinks by being generous about his problems, it will get better. She stays because she loves him even while she hates the abuse. She stays because she wants the marriage to succeed while wanting the abuse to stop. She stays because she doesn't have the finances to get out. She stays because she;s afraid she can't take care of the children on her own. She stays because he threatens her, her children and her extended family if she leaves. She stays because more women die when they try to escape than if they stay.

    There are a lot of reasons why women stay. They make the best decisions they can, and we need to give them credit for that.

    • 7 votes
    #8.4 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:00 AM EST
    ambivalent

    She stays because she has come to believe all the terrible things he says she is, has no self esteem, and thinks this is it, it's all she will ever have. Many times it is.

    • 3 votes
    #8.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:47 PM EST
    MsAubrey

    When the victim starts naming the problem and the abuser, the abuser doesn't like the focus on his behavior. He won't change. He'll still blame the victim, but he'll do it from a further distance and eventually will back out of the situation as the victim grows stronger in her vocal resistance. He doesn't want to be faced with a mirror to look in. His entire justification for his behavior disappears in front of a mirror.

    The other way it can go when the victim gets a voice is usually an unfortunate tragedy. I've seen that with my own eyes too. That's when you hope that the victim is either stronger or has a weapon... Even if it is someone else to step in.

    • 2 votes
    #8.6 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:31 PM EST
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    Bewildered511

    SoCaGal It's like reading a story about me. Every word of it. Your ex sounds like mine and you sound like me. I was with mine for 12 year's never married however and no kids but the way he treated me. I didn't want to be alone either and I am one with much patience I didn't know that how he was, was a condition thought I just thought maybe someday he would put me on his priority list. He would also turn blame around on me and never take any responsibility for his own doing's. He had a few ex's before me and he would tell me story about each and everyone of them, how they would do this or that, but as our relationship moved on I kept noticing want he was saying about his ex's to me, Is what I saw in him doing the same to me. He would turn things around he would be the one doing something wrong and turn it around as if it was you doing the wrong. I got to where I would clam up with him cause when I spoke out about anything he got real verbal and made me feel like everything was my fault. Well I finally lost my patience and open up my eyes. He will never change and he would never put me on his priority list cause he is self centered. There is more but I don't want to write a book.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
    SoCAGal

    Bewildered, I'm sorry you also had to deal with a narcissitic man but it does help to know that you are not alone and that others of us, including you, have been through a similar situation. I think it helps to reinforce in us that it is them, not us. They make it so easy for us to want to take on the blame for things and it isn't until we step back and look at the relationship from the outside that we realize that its not about "us", its a sickness that they have and will always have. I don't believe it every goes away which is sad for anybody who has to ever have any type of a relationship with them.

    Thanks for sharing. I've often thought about writing a book, lol, maybe we could all collaberate. :)

    • 2 votes
    Reply#10 - Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT
    K-joy

    Thank you for sharing your story, SoCAGal.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#11 - Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
    Abby.

    Seconded!

    • 1 vote
    #11.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:17 AM EST
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    callie-girl

    SoCalGal,

    I, too, was married to a narcissist. If I may, this personality type also tends to be sociopathic and is a master manipulator. It doesn't even have to be a member of the opposite sex. Over the years, I've had friends who are consistently dramatic about themselves to attract attention, affirmations and support, rather than dealing with their constant trauma - anything that keeps attention focused on them. I've actually had to terminate friendships with a couple of people because their phone calls and conversations invariably were a one-sided litany of the latest drama and trauma, and I found it exhausting. It's all about "them" and their stuff and God help you if you try to steer the conversation away from them, yes? It's toxic and draining, in my experience.

    I am so sorry you experienced what you did, and kudos for having the courage to share your experience ;-)

    • 4 votes
    Reply#12 - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:55 PM EDT
    huebschmania-2291116

    always the skeptic, i tend to cringe when i hear the word narcissist. i've seen it used in a wrong manner so many times. but this...bam! drives it home! it is one thing to just be a jerk. many true narcissists are jerks due to their narcissism. it's a vicious cycle...lol. the key to narcissism is self-absorbency. when you said he would stop and look at himself in the mirror i knew you had labeled him correctly. all that being said, is he a leo? almost every narcissist male i've ever met was a leo. they are truly impossible people to deal with and by leaving him, you did the only thing that you could do with people of that type: get the hell out. you should confront the member of clergy and see if anything is said about you being divorced. i'm sure you'll be told you were in the wrong by them. according to religion, even if they beat you, you're supposed to stay with them. religion should be outlawed. sorry if this is random...i'm sleepy.

      Reply#13 - Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
      SoCAGal

      I appreciate your comments and validation for me divorcing him. Religion does tend to steer you away from divorce and I can understand why, however, there are reasons that its justified.

      is he a leo?

      I don't know. He was born the middle of July???

        #13.1 - Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
        huebschmania-2291116

        if it is before the 23rd he's a cancer. cancers tend to be uber-smart, usually tending to be mama's boys (the bad kind), but a little bit too much of mommy-time for a cancer turns them into the type of narcissist that acts the way they do because, pardon the expression, they stayed on the teet a little to long. they tend to view themselves as justified in their actions (much like when a little girl grows up believing she is a princess because that's what everyone tells her all the time). my mom married one of those types. while i definitely believe he is a narcissist, i would also peg him as a sociopath. my guess is that if you confronted him, he twisted things to blame it all on you, and sometimes did a damn good job of it, too.

          #13.2 - Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
          callie-girl

          Good call on Cancer males.....but I have discovered narcissism and sociopathology isn't astrological-sign specific. Yeah, the narcissist/sociopath clings to wrongs - virtually always imagined and magnified, as well as being tied into their need to let the entire freakin' world know how wronged they've been, how they've suffered. No self-respect whatever, really; but a whole lot of self-adoration and a firm belief that everyone is as focused on them as they are on themselves. What they fail to realize is that, as with SoCalGal, healthy people just move on, are prone to rolling their eyes when the narcissist/sociopath keepings pointing the blame finger over and over at everyone else, murmers "poor baby" at them - and flees.

          my guess is that if you confronted him, he twisted things to blame it all on you, and sometimes did a damn good job of it, too.

          Yep. Definitely pegged it with that one, you did ;-) Because, in their self-absorbed little minds, everything is all about them, confronting them or, worse yet, booting them out of your life, simply cannot be tolerated. My ex was a master at dredging up how wronged he was - by anyone and everyone who didn't constantly shower him with praise, affirmations, reassurances and, as with SoCalGal's ex, enough is never enough for their egos. What I found weird is they simply cannot not make sure everyone knows about their victimization - never realizing they're making utter a$$e$ of themselves in the process. Oh, and there's an enormous amount of paranoia attached - everyone is out to get them, everyone is fascinated by them, everyone is focused on them - it's never, ever them; it's always everyone else who dares not adore them as they adore themselves.

          Interesting to watch; hell to live with.

          • 1 vote
          #13.3 - Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT
          MsAubrey

          Mid-July would be the cusp of Cancer/Leo. My son is a Leo. My uncle [more like a brother to me than uncle] is a Leo. My uncle was raised to be kind and giving. But he was never overly praised or spoiled. That's what makes the difference in raising a Leo boy. My oldest uncle [1st born of 5 and the uncle previously mentioned being the last of said 5] is a late July Leo [like my son] and being he was the 1st and just after a miscarriage, he got overly praised and spoiled..... He's the epitome of narcissistic. Cancers have a tendency to be narcissistic, but only if they were coddled. My father is a Cancer. I wouldn't say he's narcissistic [certainly not now], but he's forever seeking validation and love. Couldn't tell you how many women he cheated on my mother with... And I have a friend that is a Cancer that would cheat on his girlfriend all the time, seeking validation and love... He is narcissistic. He's obcessed with working out, getting everyone to like him, thinking the world owes him, and so on. The only difference with him [compared to the man referred to in the article], he's a decent person [never have I known him to treat others poorly].

          • 1 vote
          #13.4 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:42 PM EST
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          tracydc

          I am truly at the end of my ability to deal with me ex-narcissist husband. I was married for ten years, and was abused at his hands to the point that I had my tubes tied because he didn't want more children, I had a nose job because he didn't like my nose, I had implants after giving birth and nursing two children because it was "unfortunate that my body was so hard hit by the pregnancies"- 5'7'' 128lbs and in great shape, just the breast thing was negative. If I didn't agree to these incredibly bizarre requests, he would leave me. He started leaving me when my daughter was born, and my son was almost 2. I was a stay at home mom and I had nothing in my name and no money. He would freeze accounts and then return. It was a life of chaos, but it was my only choice for two main reasons: First, I had no way of achieving independence. From the first time he left me I started saving money, putting everything into my name, and returned to school to finish my degree, because I would not be left helpless. Second, I left him home with the kids one day when they were 3 mths and 22 mths. I was going shopping- 1st time out childless. I was about 15 minutes out when I realized I forgot a coupon so I turned around. When I got to the house the front door was locked. We NEVER locked our door, and this was the middle of the day. I went through the garage and basement to find the entry door jammed shut with a chair. I pushed and it was coming loose when he was standing in front of it naked. He was NEVER naked- probably not even for sex. When I walked in I asked what was going on. I saw the kids were both naked too- fully clothed 15 minutes before. He said they were napping. I knew and know there was something wrong, but nothing tangible. I also knew it would be a long time before I could leave him because I had to protect my kids, and visitation would be granted. I started teaching good touch, bad touch and involved him in all of the lessons so that they could see his agreement, and never left them alone with him. After many more years of mental and physical abuse from this genius scientist and good guy who everyone said I was so lucky to have, he left me. The difference was that when he asked to come back that time I said no.

          Long story short (not really), I have been involved in an ongoing fight for the last 7 years over custody and visitation, child support and telephone calls. If it can be argued about it is. My son, now 14, now lives with him and THEY decided my involvement is no longer good for my son. I am guarded away like I am a drug dealer abuser, and my son no longer refers to himself as "I", but now is "we," and they both are horrible to my daughter. The mind games are horrible, and I have to watch both of my children suffer. As bad as being married to him was, divorce has been more than I can handle. I have been a documentably perfect mom, and have been there every step of the way supporting both of my children. When we were going to court after him not paying, he decided it would be cheaper to take a kid, hence my son. He has millions of dollars, and I left with just my children and my home. I wanted nothing from him, but now I cannot fight him. He would rather use his money to but my son a plane than pay child support!

          How do I manage living through this? I cannot help my children, and one doesn't want anything to do with me (except when his dad isn't around), and the court doesn't enforce what they decide on. I have no money for lawyers, and it feels as though my only choice is to stand by and watch him hurt my children like he hurt me for so many years. Any advice would be helpful. I cannot endure anymore of this.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:45 PM EST
          US Citizen-658112

          You can't change a narcissist no matter how you try so try to come to terms with that fact. It is NOT you, it is HIM.

          Be the best Mother you can be and do not feel bad for doing it. If you are a good Mom, you are a good Mom, and that has NOTHING to do with money, etc.

          I hope you can find self forgiveness and emphasize your self esteem and try not to own blame for what you cannot control.

          May you succeed in being you!

          • 1 vote
          #14.1 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:53 AM EST
          Piletre

          What I read from both SoCAGal and tracydc and their narcissist husbands is that both men are pedophiles.

          The reason I say that is because SoCaGal's husband enjoyed showing off his (underwear covered) morning erection to his daughters. Tracy interrupted her husband and her children all stark naked with locked doors to the house, only 15 minutes after she had left to go to town.

          That type of activity is abnormal and both men should have been reported to the police immediatly.

          • 8 votes
          #14.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:57 PM EST
          Abby.

          I have to agree with Pil here.

          • 3 votes
          #14.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:23 AM EST
          ambivalent

          No doubt.

          • 1 vote
          #14.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:05 PM EST
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          Stephanie-RN

          When I first saw the title of the article, I immediately thought, "Pretty sure he was also a Wayward Spouse, as well." I only know this b/c I am a member of an online community that has to do with infidelity. There are many Betrayed Spouses on the site who have spouses that are also Narcissists. Unfortunately, if you have previous issues that make you (a general term) feel like the problem, or have people telling you that you HAVE to do XYZ to make your spouse happy, you will find yourself married and living in hell for 20+years b/c you only want acceptance and to make the marriage work. Another unfortunate thing with Narcissism is they don't realize they have a problem. They think they're okay and EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#15 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:56 AM EST
          VIVA-796465

          i am a woman and i always say,"Women are bitches", cause we are vicious........i only have brothers, but i work with women all day and damn i just stay in my classroom cause it's too much drama. my daughters have enough drama and i dearly love them, but damn....................

          • 4 votes
          Reply#16 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:12 AM EST
          weRdoomed

          I don't understand what this comment has to do with the article?

          • 4 votes
          #16.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:04 PM EST
          Piletre

          weRdoomed, me neither. I read it and re-read it and ouldn't understand the connection or even the meaning.

          • 4 votes
          #16.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:17 PM EST
          weRdoomed

          I hope she comes back to explain! :)

          • 2 votes
          #16.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:34 PM EST
          JackOL-1666973

          I hope she comes back to explain! :)

          DNFTT

          • 1 vote
          #16.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:16 PM EST
          VIVA-796465

          i am saying it isn't always the man's fault.............but after reading your statements maybe it is

          • 3 votes
          #16.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:17 PM EST
          weRdoomed

          JackOL-1666973

          Drat! Fooled again! :)

          • 3 votes
          #16.6 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:48 PM EST
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          VIVA-796465

          men want women who laugh at their jokes and make them feel good about themselves.........after many years of marriage they go on to a new audience

          • 1 vote
          Reply#17 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:19 PM EST
          Piletre

          Viva, I disagree with your statement. Not all men are like that. Not my dad who was married to mom for over 69 years when he passed. Not my hubby, either. In a couple of months, we will be married for 55 years.

          • 7 votes
          #17.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:42 PM EST
          ambivalent

          Wow! I hope you will notify all of us Piletre so we can have an anniversary party on the Vine. I will reserve congratulations until then...amazing!

          • 5 votes
          #17.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:47 PM EST
          weRdoomed

          men want women who laugh at their jokes and make them feel good about themselves.........after many years of marriage they go on to a new audience

          This is not true of men - it's true of all human beings. If you take the person you are with for granted, you shouldn't be surprised if they feel neglected and that leaves them vulnerable to the temptation of leaving.

          • 6 votes
          #17.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:48 PM EST
          Piletre

          awww, ambivalent.. how thoughtful! Thank you.. :-)

          • 3 votes
          #17.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:55 PM EST
          gmross

          Pil, he must have taken husband training well. :-P

          • 1 vote
          #17.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:13 PM EST
          MrFrost

          Pil, he must have taken husband training well. :-P

          I know this was meant as a joke, but..... Really? Ya know why womens feet are smaller than mens? So they can stand closer to the sink. <wink>

          • 2 votes
          #17.6 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:46 AM EST
          Lkessler

          Mr. Frost: I've heard that joke a million times, and it's still funny--at least to me, because I hardly ever stand at my sink. :D

          • 3 votes
          #17.7 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:14 PM EST
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          VIVA-796465

          it is true that all egos need to be fed........but the marriages that last well into the 50th anniversary are going the way of the horse and buggy. my parents were married 60 years, i am at 35 years, but i don't see my children (none married), as having a marriage longer than 20. society is more accepting of divorce and a wedding ring doesn't mean as much as before..........

          if someone wants out, it doesn't matter they just go

          there is always someone willing to talk purty to some fool...........male or female

          maybe that is why there are less marriages happening, people just skip.... it keep it simple

          shack up

          • 2 votes
          Reply#18 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:01 PM EST
          MrFrost

          A lot of truth to that...well said VIVA... I mean....Hmmm, how do I put this... I have been married 3 times; twice to the same woman.. I asked my GF to marry me, and she said, "why?" Its a good point. Marriage is a piece of paper these days. If you love someone, love them...ya do not need a piece of paper to prove it.

          • 2 votes
          #18.1 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:52 AM EST
          Lkessler

          Agreed Viva. Although look at my husband and I--we've been together 20 years, about to have 3 kids altogether (I'm pregnant with twins right now) and even when we have disagreements, I believe we still love each other.

          We didn't get married for 17 years. It worked ok for us.

          • 3 votes
          #18.2 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:16 PM EST
          weRdoomed

          Lkessler - TWINS!!! My goodness! Congratulations! Any details?

          Nevermind - I found your article! ;-)

          • 3 votes
          #18.3 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:21 PM EST
          Lkessler

          WRD: yes, twins! Most shocking moment of my entire life--even when I was first pregnant, I wasn't quite as shocked as this time around.

          Thanks for stopping by--always welcome the friends/non-friends/any interested party to yammer with! :)

          • 3 votes
          #18.4 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:12 PM EST
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          FreedomIsAChoice

          My clergy at that time advised me to “set a good example” and “be a good wife” to help your husband be a better man. I can tell anyone this normally good advice is useless and even bad when someone tries it out on a narcissist.

          This advice is almost never good. Every time I have heard it used or heard of it being used it has had a subtext of "it is your fault your husband (cheats, abuses, lies, acts like a tyrant and bully...) because you are not a good enough wife." Bull@!$%#. If the husband is doing any of that it's because he is making choices.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#19 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:23 PM EST
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